Engineered over UHF what glue?

Discussion in 'Wood' started by nevertrever2, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    I've got a big ish job coming up for a shop I subbie to which is engineered wood glued together, what I want to know is there a correct type of glue to use in the tongue and groove or can I just go with pva, will the UHF dry the glue out possibly so it won't hold the wood together.
    Also the customer is wanting the green barrier u lay on top of the electric hfh is it suitable?
     
  2. oddbod_jnr

    oddbod_jnr Well-Known Member

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    No no no there are special underlays for ufh check out qa products also whats the sub floor only wuld rather full stick overufh .
    What type of ufh is it elec or water. Defo not glue joints willdry out and create probs
    Rather full stick to subfloor che k which adhesives are suitable
    Can you not use clic system boards instead quicker and better joins
     
  3. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    It's a concrete subfloor and its electric Ufh, customer says its a roll out type of hfh that lays on top of an Ulay thats been supplied with it, he then says he wants the barrier ulay over the top of the hfh and the wood to be floated over that, it's a job from a shop so I turn up only to fit it.
    How would you full stick to a UHF if its the mat type?
     
  4. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    I wish I could use a click system save me a lot of time, I haven't used the clamps for a long time back when you used to for tongue and groove laminates, the customer has already bought the wood from the shop I've started to subbie for, it's not my preferred choice of fixing a wood floor.
     
  5. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    I don't see a problem with using b90 in the tongue and groove? Underlay has to be suitable for ufh tho. Normally a special product designed to go over it
     
  6. TonyA

    TonyA Well-Known Member

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    Try Tuplex it is designed for UFH
     
  7. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    quicktherm qa do it quite a good price
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    barrier has too high a tog rating
     
  8. oddbod_jnr

    oddbod_jnr Well-Known Member

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    shops fault should have sold them a click system board wrong product sold ,i wouldnt like to warranty it myself,maybee get shop to agree to a waiver on your behalf just in case . im sensing a possible failure down the line .jobs like these either go fine or tits up.
     
  9. welsh wood

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    the supplied u/lay should be a special DEPRON u/lay or similar. this goes down first, then the ufh matting / system then a suitable vapour barrier covering the area, THEN you can fit the floor straight onto it... see link for Depron & vapour barrier :cool:

    http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/BNDEP6.html?source=adwords&kw=&gclid=CLmJnufjprUCFSHHtAodhk8AhA
     
  10. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    Rang fball today they say b90 is fine as long as the UHF doesn't go over 28 degrees.
     
  11. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    more like 26 degrees more will promote tenting in the board, will draw the moisture out of it making the boards drier than the air humidity levels.
     
  12. oddbod_jnr

    oddbod_jnr Well-Known Member

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    Whos going to control that the customer a problem waiting to happen methinks
     
  13. welsh wood

    welsh wood Well-Known Member

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    concur with Tark... strongly advise NOT to set the flooring >26deg... :cool:
     
  14. AngryAndy

    AngryAndy Well-Known Member

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    28 degrees with B90 does not give you any tolerance given that the max temp for engineered wood over UFH is usually quoted at 28 degrees at the sub floor. When it all goes wrong can you honestly see Fball putting their hands up and saying "OK leave it with us and we'll sort it all out"? No neither can I. It will be "the heating clearly went at least 1 degree over and it's nothing to do with us"!!
     
  15. merit

    merit Well-Known Member

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    You should check with the manufacturer /supplier as some of them only guarantee their product floated over ufh!
     
  16. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    Done the job went together quite well clamped together well, natures own tongue and groove was the product, on the packaging it says don't go over 26 degrees, on the leaflet 24 degrees.
    only time will tell if problems occur, personally I'd like a more solid sub floor, chipboard then 8mm insulation board then the wire type UFh then 3mm barrier, seemed a bit too much give for me, customer were happy though.
     
  17. oddbod_jnr

    oddbod_jnr Well-Known Member

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    time to cross fingers/legs/toes/ eyes
     

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