How do you do your LVT on stairs. Done a flight today Riser, nosing then treads. Did use F60 on risers, was going to use spray but had F60 on van.
F60 is nasty, I had a mate come and give me a hand sticking loads of inserts on nosings with that stuff. He is a self employed tree surgeon by trade and not used to being inside with strong glue. After a few hours he had a bright red face and had to go for a walk outside. I must admit I did find it funny at the time but it is a bit naughty. I never have to use the stuff luckily
Errrr, my mate never use to gripper toilets either, just spray the underlay down and then spray the carpet to it. That was a red face job
also f44 . i also take the insert out of the nosing and replace it with the lvt. agree with merit f60 is nasty. my wife can smell it on my breath when i get home! not good!
yeah pretty much. not sure which one is cheaper though. i think the jantac comes in 20mm 50mm & 85mm widths. i tend to use just the 85mm, its just right for sit on / set in skirtings & upstands on your cap & cove.
This is only like doing cap and cove and F44 will never stick that on the upstand !! A few simple tips does make it easier to use. 1 Because the spirit is heavier than air, start at the top and work your way down the staircase. 2 Try using a fan at the top of the stairs facing downwards to force the spirit downwards. 3 Try and get plenty of ventilation. After all that , the worst place to use F60 or similar is a staircase going into a cellar and then its just a case of keep going for a walk round regularly, not ideal I know but ....... Phil
Simple tips will result in you being heavily fined if H+S pay a visit. If you actually had a accident you would be in a lot of trouble. 2- using a fan , you should not use any electrical equipment. In fact the power to the area should be turned off and that includes the lights. Failing to do so is breaking H+S requirements and you are liable for people safety in the surrounding area. If the area has anyone other than yourself in (so a apprentice maybe or people who work in the building)then you are responsible for there H+S also. Failing to supply them with the correct protective equipment and you will be in trouble. RISK PHRASES IN FULL FOR F60 R10 Flammable. R20/21 Harmful by inhalation and in contact with skin. R48/20 Harmful: danger of serious damage to health by prolonged exposure through inhalation. R65 Harmful: may cause lung damage if swallowed. R11 Highly flammable R36 Irritating to eyes. R38 Irritating to skin. R43 May cause sensitisation by skin contact. R63 Possible risk of harm to the unborn child. R62 Possible risk of impaired fertility. R66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking. R51/53 Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. R67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness. note R63, if someone working in the area is pregnant and they have issues with the baby then they will try and trace back why. The first questions asks will be what chemicals have you been around, what trades have been working around you ? This will again come back to you and you will defo face a heavy fine if not imprisonment. BE VERY CAREFUL USING PRODUCTS WITH SOLVENTS IN ! Hence i would advice F44 and it will stick the risers.
....and how many people have been killed/injured using F60? my guess is a big fat zero. Anyone see the news over the last couple of days about that bloke being left face down in a 3ft deep pond because the fire officer in charge at the scene said it was too dangerous to get him out. He also prevented a copper and a paramedic from getting him out, all in the name of H&S. Health & Safety can kiss my hairy ar5e. Try using common sense, it's served mankind very well for thousands of years.
A lot of cases. 1 person to my knowledge has been killed and lots of people suffering side effects. 1 of the lads that used to work with me has side effects linked to the adhesives he used to use and another lad i used to work with suffered burns in a fire when the vapours was ignited. So a few cases.
So not properly ventilated then, in all of those cases by the sound of it. If you need a H&S officer to tell you to open a window, you're next in line for a Darwin Award. Three people a year are killed in this country by their trousers. That's two more than are killed by F60...... ......so your trousers are more likely to kill you than F60. :lol:
A few years ago we were doing a classroom,there was 8ft buy 12ft whole on the external wall where doors were going,we were using f60 for the cap and cove,H&S walked in asked us to open all windows and put 3m masks on or we were not alllowed to continue,the whole in wall was blowing through like a hurricane . On the same job there was some nutter that would close himself in a cupboard an sniff the bloddy stuff he was high as a kite
lol at the trousers. But if we work out teh ratio of trousers vs F60 i think you will find that it more like 1 million times more likely to be killed by F60 Anyway, the person killed was caused by someone lighting up a fag. The person who lit the fag was not working on site but turned up as a member of public "shopping" and walked into the area. Maybe if there was signs up or the place had been properly barred off this may of never happened? who knows. (ps this was a long time ago when you could smoke in shopping centers etc, the floorlayer was working in a corridor) The one where a friend got burnt was due to a boilers pilot light not being turned off. He was working away unaware that a boiler was mounted on the other side of the wall in a different room to what he was working in. The fumes went through a vent and ignited. in both the above cases they may of both been prevented if the correct H+S rules was followed. Quick question for you all. - If you was to say damage a gas pipe and it was leeking gas into the area that you was working would you carry on working? F60 etc is no different to working in a area with a gas leek filling the room up that your working in. It strange that when we smell gas (not your own made gas :roll: ) we panic and run off to shut the gas off. We vent the area before we dare go back in and dont flick a light switch etc in case it ignites. but when we are using a adhesive we dont consider the 'gas' dangerous any more?
Turning the lights off in a work area and working in the dark is safer than working with F60 in a well ventilated staircase ? In your risk phrases for F60 there seems to be a lot of mays and ifs !! Do you honestly think it is my responsibility to ask every female , within say a distance of 40 mtrs, of concieving age if they maybe pregnant in case a legally available adhesive MAY harm their unborn child ? And finally, F44 will not stick on a vertical surface , in fact if you ask F.Balls for advice , they will advise F60 for risers Health and Safety recommendations, and that is what they are , can be questioned at the time of implementation and a suitable compromise between the contractor and the H + S representative can be achieved, especially if it has been put into the method statement beforehand.
You are right in fball do recommend F60 for vertical installations but they do also recommend F66 which is SOLVENT FREE contact adhesive.
