Ply lines showing

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  1. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    Ply lines have started to show through on a lvt I did on underfloor heating

    All prep were done correct full nail down 5cm around the perimeter of sheets, expansion, primed the ply to stop delamination (Chinese ply) feathered x2 as the customer has increased the temp on the floor the line are really starting to show, the karndean with high temp hasn't budged.
    I've only done

    Is this a matter of cheap ply delaminating with too much heat? Has any one experienced this before?

    We did another area with no ufh and it's fine.
     
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    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    6mm ply used over green floor boards
     
  3. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Did the feather crack too ?
     
  4. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'd of flexyd it tbo
     
  5. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    We haven't taken it up, the feather sanded OK when prepping with no issues, I haven't fitted many lvt over ufh but the one's we have done we haven't had any problems but they've all been screeded over ufh.

    There would be no chance of screeding when plyed before with the firm this was for, they go the cheapest way about things.
    We have no control over what products to use.
     
  6. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    When ply dries out and shrinks or absorbs moisture and expands the feather will go with it every time and crack it's weak !
    Flexy will hold its ground most of the time
    If I'm fitting Amtico I always flexy coz everything shows through Ply lines nail holes even specs of dust can show through
     
  7. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    Do you flexi even if not on ufh?,
    If it comes to us ripping it up could the flexibility go over the broken feather?
     
  8. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    If Amtico definitely every time
    A flexy screed will definitely hold alot better than feather
     
  9. merit

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    Agree. Unless ur fitting it in a nightclub where it will never see the light of day it needs flexi screed.


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  10. Trimmer

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    Sounds crazy but did you check the moisture content of the ply and floor before fitting?

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  11. mjfl

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    probably straight off the van, not acclimatised
     
  12. nevertrever2

    nevertrever2 Well-Known Member

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    All materials were dropped off to acclimatise before we arrived.
     
  13. nevertrever2

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    When you read the spec on feather it's suitable over Ufh
     
  14. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah but if your ply does anything it going with it and cracks
     
  15. J d clarkson flooring

    J d clarkson flooring Well-Known Member

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    Chinese ply are the words that stand out...... Been issues with it since 2013 so stopped using it and use far eastern on standard jobs and sp101 on amtico...... Ply on ufh could have dried and expanded..... A layer of fibreglass screed on top could have prevented it
     
  16. J d clarkson flooring

    J d clarkson flooring Well-Known Member

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    Feather is very soft...... Compressive strength is low so any movement it will show
     
  17. Phil Marshall

    Phil Marshall New Member

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    Hi guys when fitting ply over under floor heating I always glue the ply to the sub floor with Pva adhesive and glue every joint. I also never use poor quality plywood, stick to Malayan or Sp101. Never have joints show through my jobs.
     
  18. Phil Marshall

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    Just to note also Ardex feather is not heat tolerant, the only feather that is or can be used in high temp areas is Uzin 888.
     
  19. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Ardex feather is nothing tolerant :eek:
     
  20. Spacey

    Spacey Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Even signature?
     

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